Re: [Cz-L] They are at it again - Ukraine's nationalists protest Jewish pilgrimage

Gary,

The chasidim of rabbi Nachman of Bratslav are known
to misbehave and you cannot compare them to the Wiznitzer
chasidim of Borow Park. Some young Chasidim in Israel are
known to behave as ruffians as well. Your assertions:
"the old hatred, intolerence and prejudice passed down
from one generation to the next, is still there"
is itself an expression of prejudice.

As to Czernowitz: We are all of us now, guests in this city
and in the Ukraine as a whole. We do NOT live there.
As guests it behooves us to behave decently. We need not be
perfect human beings, but our behavior has to be within
the bounds of what is acceptable in the place we visit.

You ask: "What Jew is a guest in the Ukraine?"
Do you mean to say, that all Jews originated in the Ukraine?
To follow your logic, we could say that all Americans are not guests:
in England, Ireland, Scotland, Holland, Italy, Germany....

Mimi

On Oct 3, 2011, at 3:43 PM, Gary Rogovin wrote:

> Dear Anny,
>
> Thank you for your comments. While some of the Hasidim may act
> inappropriately by getting drunk, which I have never personally
> seen them do when I lived amongst them for a time in Boro Park in
> Brooklyn, NY, USA, it is hard to believe that all 30,000 descending
> upon Uman would do so.
>
> Religious Jews are mostly pious and civilized people, unlike the
> Nazis and their Ukranian cohorts during WWII. Religious Jews do not
> burn down churches, or kill other human beings unless in self
> defense, with the possible exception of some extremists living in
> Israeli settlements on former Arab land.
>
> Anny, you have precisely hit on my point "they are at it again",
> meaning that the old hatred, intolerence and prejudice passed down
> from one generation to the next, is still there. "Hey Jew, do not
> come back to this land (the Ukraine) where you once dwelled, but if
> you must visit, be sure to bring and leave us your filthy money,
> which we will only be too happy to wash".
>
> You are right, their hypocrisy is precisely why the Ukranians will
> not allow the grave of Rabbi Nachman of Bratslav, aka "the cash
> cow", to be removed.
>
> If a Jew ventures into an anti-semetic land that was once part of
> his history, in this case the land of Czernowitzers, now part of
> the Ukraine, does the individual Jew have to be a perfect human
> being in order to be allowed to set foot on that land as a "guest"?
> What human being is perfect? What Jew is a "guest" in the Ukraine?
>
> Wishing a happy holiday to you and your family.
>
> Gary Rogovin
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