Re: [Cz-L] Rescue Operation of Czernowitz Jews - A Joint Venture

Dear Edgar, you write:
"But, Marianne, Iosif and Hardy, let's assume for a single moment, that
Schellhorn would have opposed to this exemption policy. He easily could have
interfered each and any rescue operation by involving his Ambassador Manfred
von Killinger and/or Eichmann's special delegate for Romania, Gustav
Richter."

   Schellhorn as a consul was not in a position to oppose, agree or discuss
   orders - all he had to do was to execute them.
   He could advise - thats all.
   So could Popovici - he could comply or resign.
    Or conspire against the superiors - which he did successfully.
   For this he fell in disgrace , was called the Jidovit , and then ousted.

Hardy
----- Original Message -----
From: "Edgar Hauster" <bconcept_at_hotmail.com>
To: "Marianne Hirsch" <mh2349_at_columbia.edu>; "Iosif Vaisman"
<iosif.vaisman_at_gmail.com>; "Hardy Breier" <hardy3_at_bezeqint.net>; "Czernowitz
Discussion Group" <czernowitz-l_at_cornell.edu>
Cc: "Miriam Taylor" <mirtaylo_at_indiana.edu>; "Arthur Rindner"
<vonczernowitz_at_yahoo.com>; "Cornel Fleming" <cornel.fleming_at_virgin.net>;
"Berti Glaubach" <berti.glaubach_at_gmail.com>; "Asher Turtel"
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"Anny Matar" <annymatar_at_gmail.com>; "Hedwig Brenner" <hedbren_at_zahav.net.il>
Sent: Thursday, December 29, 2011 4:14 PM
Subject: RE: [Cz-L] Rescue Operation of Czernowitz Jews - A Joint Venture

Dear Marianne, Dear Iosif,

Thank you so much for joining this thread. Your contributions are most
interesting and are bringing a new impetus to our discussion. I'm
subscribing without restrictions to your statements and wish I could express
myself as eloquent as you both do.

Marianne, you are writing: "...However we construe the multiple factors that
converged to result in the deportation waivers, and whatever Schellhorn's
role might have been, and whatever the importance of that morning meeting on
October 15, the ca. 20000 waivers that were issued cannot responsibly be
said to have been uniquely Schellhorn's accomplishment as this sentence
does...."

Yes, that is - in my view too - the weak point in Dr. Hartwig Cremers's
article, as there is no evidence whatsoever, that Schellhorn's intervention
during the (verifiable) morning meeting on October 15, 1941, leaded on to
this disproportional number of deportation waivers.

Iosif, you are writing: "...While it is not impossible that Schellhorn's
stand was influenced by humanistic considerations, it is important to
remember that his actions in October of 1941 were completely in line with
the German policies of the time...."

Yes, no doubt about that, but that's the main reason to be inclined to
accept, that Schellhorn's intervention was decisive, with respect to the
reasoning for the waivers (as confirmed by Popovici/Calotescu), but not to
their disproportional number (see above). Of course you are right in
mentioning, that Schellhorn's motivation is still not, nor for me, beyond
any reasonable doubt.

But, Marianne, Iosif and Hardy, let's assume for a single moment, that
Schellhorn would have opposed to this exemption policy. He easily could have
interfered each and any rescue operation by involving his Ambassador Manfred
von Killinger and/or Eichmann's special delegate for Romania, Gustav
Richter. The main reason for me to start this thread, was to demonstrate,
that a rescue operation like this one, to this large extent was
unconceivable without an active or at least a tacit implication of the
German side. On the other hand, I take it for granted, that Dr. Traian
Popovici's intervention was mainly humanitarian and Calotescu's/Marinescu's
actions were mainly conducted by greed and facilitated by bribing.

Summerizing, we are facing, as always in real life, different factors -
humanitarian, opportunistic, economic - determining the diferent decision
makers and the outcome of the operation; thus the title, which I chose for
our thread proves to be true: "Rescue Operation of Czernowitz Jews - A Joint
Venture".

Hardy, you are quoting Dr. Traian Popovici's statement: "This is not the
right place to describe the means through which I tried indirectly to
influence the will of the Marshal who I didn't know and who lived so far
from Czernowitz; but my efforts were successful." by asking: "Will we ever
know what happened during these three fateful days?"

I don't know, whether will succeed to unravel the mystery, but Popovici left
it, most probably had to leave it, in the dark and I'm positive, that our
discussion could be a serious contribution in revealing the historical
facts.

Warmest wishes to all of you, have an amazing turn of the year and a "Happy
New Year"!

Edgar Hauster
Lent - The Netherlands

http://hauster.blogspot.com/

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