Re: [Cz-L] FW: Romanian records - availability

Hardy...

Yes, that's a possible explanation for "Neamt"; the other one, emphasizing a slavic origin, is mentioned at the (Romanian) homepage of the administration of the city of Tirgu Neamt:

http://primariatgneamt.ro/p_d_despre.php#1

Who knows?

Edgar Hauster
Lent/The Netherlands

Am 02.04.2012 um 19:44 schrieb HARDY BREIER:

> Cetatea Neamt ( Fortress Neamt) is in Targu Neamt some 70 km north
> of Piatra Neamt and was one of Stefan cel Mare's bastions.
> Long before that, in 1230-40 was here a Teutonic Order stronghold on
> the way of the Eastern crusades coming down from Lithuania.
> The Teutons were Germans and in the local lingo Nemti.
> They called the bastion" Rock of the Germans " and in
> local - Piatra Nemtilor.
> There is very little documentation to substantiate this theory
> but is as close as you can get.
> I have not heard "nemetic" in Slav languages but "Nemtsy"
> is Germans and nemetsky- the language.
> With this I rest my case.
> Hardy
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Edgar Hauster" <bconcept_at_hotmail.com>
> To: "Bruce Reisch" <bruce.reisch_at_cornell.edu>
> Cc: "CZERNOWITZ-L" <CZERNOWITZ-L_at_list.cornell.edu>; "Breier Hardy"
> <HARDY3_at_bezeqint.net>; "Taylor Miriam" <mirtaylo_at_indiana.edu>; "Kastner
> Merle" <merlek_at_videotron.ca>; "Fleming Cornel" <cornel.fleming_at_virgin.net>;
> <HJarvis16_at_aol.com>
> Sent: Monday, April 02, 2012 7:38 PM
> Subject: Re: [Cz-L] FW: Romanian records - availability
>
>
> Cornel et al...
>
> I'd like to emphasize Bruce's statement and to encourage you and everyone,
> not to abandon the Bacau research at an - too - early stage. In addition to
> the weblinks indicated by Bruce, we learn from the Romanian National
> Archives, Bacau branch,
>
> http://www.arhivelenationale.ro/index.php?lan=0&jud=78
>
> and from their inventory, items 105, 106, 107 on page 3, available for
> download as pdf document
>
> http://www.arhivelenationale.ro/images/custom/image/Pdf-uri/DJAN-uri/DJAN_Bacau_fonduri_si_colectii_date_in_cercetare.pdf
>
> that the civil records are available at the archives for the period of time
> 1865 - 1919.
>
> And, of course, Hardy is right, neither Bacau nor Piatra Neamt were ever
> part of the Austrian-Hungarian Empire, the German settlement history in
> Romania was bounded on the east by the Carpathians. "Neamt", a common
> geographical ending in this area, doesn't mean "German", but "quiet" from
> the slavic "nemetic". On the other hand, Bacau an Piatra Neamt had an
> important Jewish population until the 1930s (ca. 25 %), so, it was hardly
> surprising to hear German in bygone days.
>
> Warmest wishes to all of you!
>
> Edgar Hauster
> Lent/The Netherlands
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