Re: [Cz-L] Book of the Month, January 2015: "A Sanguine Bunch"

From: Shelley <shemit65_at_gmail.com_at_nowhere.org>
Date: Tue, 6 Jan 2015 17:11:52 -0500
To: yosi-jerry <eshet1_at_netvision.net.il>


Only one correction. Shylock was a stereotype, not a prototype. He
was far from the first since Jews were the money lenders long before
Shakespeare's time all over the world. Wherever Christians weren't
allowed to lend money, and there was no middle class, Jews were
"permitted" to live there and then tossed out when there was no longer
a need for them. And you can't look at Shylock without feeling the
anger he felt against those who didn't want to pay interest. He was
mocked and then it turned him into an angry man. And then he lost his
daughter.

Shylock is a complex character who is treated as a stereotype.

Shelley


On Tue, Jan 6, 2015 at 1:07 PM, yosi-jerry <eshet1_at_netvision.net.il> wrote:
> Dear all
> Just a few facts known to me, without going into depth research about the
> causes behind those facts. 1. The majority of Jews in eastern Europe were
> poor. Being observant they they had big families, which made them even
> poorer. 2. Cow dung was used as binding material between mud an straw. A
> mixture used as construction material. 3. Shakespeare's Shylock was a
> prototype of a usurers. 4. Learning and scholarship were the most estimated
> qualities among the the Jews. Every observant "Gevir" looked for a "Talmid
> Khakham" as a son in law. 5. The Socialist Zionist movements rejected the
> traditional social structure of Jews in which the layer of production
> workers was a minority.
> A belated Happy 2015 New Year
> Yosef Eshet
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dale Prince" <daleprince_at_hotmail.com>
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> <romers_at_shaw.ca>; "'CZERNOWITZ-L'" <CZERNOWITZ-L_at_list.cornell.edu>
> Cc: "'Frederick M. Weisinger'" <fredhotman_at_yahoo.com>; "'Anny Matar'"
> <annymatar_at_gmail.com>
> Sent: Tuesday, January 06, 2015 5:13 AM
> Subject: RE: [Cz-L] Book of the Month, January 2015: "A Sanguine Bunch"
>
>
>> Hi Cornel,
>>
>> Your words about economic conditions remind me of a couple of things to
>> suggest there were in fact places in Bukowina where persistent poverty
>> existed near prosperity, education, and high culture.
>>
>> Many years ago I was able to interview several older relatives who had
>> known
>> the immigrant generation of our extended family that settled in Chicago.
>> Most of the immigrants were born in Sadagora between 1875 and 1900,
>> emigrated as young adults, and had childhood recollections of Sadagora
>> (Rohozna, to be exact). My grandfather was born there about 1879 and left
>> at about age 20. All the relatives I spoke with emphasized how poor our
>> family had been in Sadagora. Of course this could be an exaggeration
>> reinforced by repeated retelling, but over the years an extended family of
>> at least 40 individuals left the town for America. One relative told me
>> that my grandfather said they were so poor the floor of the home was of
>> cow
>> dung. I don't know whether this is to be believed literally. Could this
>> be
>> true? According to an encyclopedia article I have seen about Sadagora,
>> there was a part of the town where people lived in such misery that it was
>> popularly called -- if I remember correctly -- Babylonia.
>>
>> Dale Prince
>> New York
>>
>
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