[Cz-L] Contrarian View on the Reunion: Fwd: Re: [Cz-L] REUNION NEWS: Jewish community in Vienna today.

The following is a message to the Czernowitz list from:
Marc M. Cohen, Palo Alto, California
marc74_at_alumni.princeton.edu
marc-cohen25_at_sbcglobal.net

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Date: Mon, 4 Jul 2005 17:55:24 -0700
To: "Czernowitz-Bukovina" <Czernowitz-L_at_cornell.edu>, bir1_at_nysaes.cornell.edu
From: "Marc M. Cohen" <marc-cohen25_at_sbcglobal.net>
Subject: Contrarian View on the Reunion: Fwd: Re: [Cz-L] REUNION NEWS:
  Jewish community in Vienna today.
Cc: cornel.fleming_at_virgin.net, <hegma2_at_pacific.net.au>

Bruce and All,

I have been having some trouble sending posts to this list, so if
this message does not post directly, would you please post it for me.

I am responding to Cornel's suggestion of a vote. So, I am offering
a "Vote with and Explanation."

My RIBNER/WEININGER family in Czernowitz were farmers, primarily
dairy farmers, and also raised horses (think of Tevye the Milkman). I
discovered just recently from my grandmother's half-sister's Ellis
Island records that the WEININGER farm was in Kostestie. My
WEININGER GM and GGM lived in Czernowitz to sell the milk. My GGF
Aron Dovid BARAK KANTORJI (Gussie's father) and his family and
newphew Simon SCHAEFLER lived in Storozynetz where they ran the
Jewish monument works. No doubt they made many of the headstones on
some of your ancestors graves. These are the places that I find
compelling, that draw me as part of my ancestoral experience. If I
made a list of all the places outside Bukovina/Bessarabia/Romania my
ancestors came from, it would feature: Spain, Lucca & Roma, Mainz,
Speier, Erfurt, Kiev, Stepantsy, and Ionnina. Wein would not even be
on the list.

Some KANTORJIs and WEININGERs moved to Wien, where they adopted great
pretensions to Mittel Europa sophistication and the illusion of
German culture including them. Fortunately for the KANTORJI
relatives, my Great Uncle Sam Canter who went direct from Storozynetz
to Boston helped all or nearly all the Viennese members to come to
Boston by 1937 or 38, before it was too late. The WEININGERS were
extremely assimilated, some perhaps even converting to Christianity
(I have not been able to determine any link to Otto W.). We do not
believe that their assimilation helped them in the Shoah.

My grandmother Gussie WEININGER was the peasant girl from Bukovina,
the youngest half-sister of the KANTORJI and WEININGER clans. When
she spent a month in Wien in 1920, on her way to New York, the W.
cousins would not let her in the front door of their house. Her K.
half-sisters made her sleep in a shed in the back yard, and clean the
house by day to pay for her room and board.

I have professional colleagues at the Tecnishe-Universitat Wien. If
I went the Wein, it would be to visit them, as living people, as a
complement to seeing them at international conferences. I do not
have a bias agains Wien or Austria.

However, in terms of my family's past, I cannot imagine any reason to
seek it in Wien. I do have cousins from Czernowitz, Storozynetz,
Tirgu Frumos, and Botosani who live in Israel, and I like to see them
when it is possible. I am flying to Rome July 7 for a conference,
then I am making a short side trip to Israel during which I will see
primarily my WEININGER cousins (who made aliyah directly from
Romania).

I VOTE FOR CZERNOWITZ AND ISRAEL.

Have a great 4th of July,

Marc

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>hi, would it be an idea to see how many of us would like to go on to
>czernowitz from vienna? i could then make enquiries about a gp flight or
>whatever. cornel

--
Marc M. Cohen, Palo Alto, California
marc74_at_alumni.princeton.edu
Researching:
COHEN, DINOVITZER, GOLDENBERG from Dunayevtsy, Ukraine.
BARAK, KANTORJI from Khotin, Bessarabia; Chernovsty and Storozynetz, Bukovina.
FACTOR, KORNITZKY, CHOMITZ OR HAMETZ from Kiev, Ukraine.
CHOMITZ, HAMETZ from Stepantsy, Ukraine or  Ioninna/Jannina, Greece.
COHEN, ROSENBERG, SCHLEICHER, GOLDENBERG from Tirgu Frumos, Romania
WEININGER, RIBNER, HEISRIGGER, HEITNER, HESS, SCHEFLER from 
Chernovtsy, Costinetz, or Storozynetz, Bukovina.
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